The great Epstein unravelling

[mister_coffee]

I'd also argue that the amounts in those SARs are implausibly large to be exclusively connected to child sex trafficking.

That would imply hundreds, and more likely thousands, of young women were bought and sold in this operation. I find it hard to believe you could do that without having many employees (probably hundreds), nearly all of whom would have to be trusted to keep their mouths shut and any one of whom could have blown the whole enterprise to smithereens at any moment.

I also have to ask, there are lots of wealthy men, there are lots of depraved men -- but are there really that many wealthy, depraved men?

[Rideback]

https://newrepublic.com/article/198136/ ... russiagate

And to your question of where he got his money: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-did-je ... his-money/

[mister_coffee]

David, there's a big piece in the NYT about the money, posted it somewhere here, where 4 banks all filed SAR/suspicious activity reports and Oregon Sen Wyden has been tracing for 3 yrs that takes this to a whole new level. Over a billion $.

That just reinforces that there is a there there. Still doesn't tell me how he got that much money in the first place. Or even exactly how much money he had.

We know he had a townhouse in Manhattan, a high-end residence (really a pocket Versailles) in Palm Beach, a private island, and his own jet. All of that stuff costs a lot of money. Not just to purchase it, but to keep it and keep using it.

[Rideback]

David, there's a big piece in the NYT about the money, posted it somewhere here, where 4 banks all filed SAR/suspicious activity reports and Oregon Sen Wyden has been tracing for 3 yrs that takes this to a whole new level. Over a billion $.

[mister_coffee]

David, whatever the explosive junk is in there it has Trump rattled. Murdoch's WSJ wouldn't publish their piece in the face of Trump's direct threats unless they had rock solid confirmation. Same with the NYT and its piece. Today's WH comments that they're asking Bondi to release the court testimony is of course a ruse because 1) it's not up to Bondi, the judge has to approve 2) the testimony is relevant to Epstein and Maxwell, not Trump and 3) it's the evidence that counts and that is apparently what Bondi will continue to sit on.

Yes, he obviously is afraid of something. One thing to remember is that Epstein died almost six years ago. So anything that Trump or anyone else did is well beyond the statute of limitations now and they can't be prosecuted for it. Murder doesn't have a statute of limitations generally so if the files had evidence that he killed Epstein (or for that matter someone else) that would be a very different story. But I doubt that because the Merrick Garland Justice Department would have prosecuted Trump for that, almost certainly.

So there never could have been a "day of the rope" as the Q dingbats said.

Two big questions I have about all this both have very little to do with the orange filth in the White House:

1. This operation couldn't have been just Epstein and Maxwell. Who else was working with them?
2. Where did Epstein get his money in the first place? His known business activities on his Wikipedia page don't seem to add up to him being a billionaire. And he certainly didn't inherit the money.

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David, whatever the explosive junk is in there it has Trump rattled. Murdoch's WSJ wouldn't publish their piece in the face of Trump's direct threats unless they had rock solid confirmation. Same with the NYT and its piece. Today's WH comments that they're asking Bondi to release the court testimony is of course a ruse because 1) it's not up to Bondi, the judge has to approve 2) the testimony is relevant to Epstein and Maxwell, not Trump and 3) it's the evidence that counts and that is apparently what Bondi will continue to sit on.

New Quinnipiac polling on Epstein:
"A week after the Justice Department and the FBI effectively closed the investigation into convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein by releasing no new files and concluding that he died by suicide in his jail cell, 17 percent of voters say they approve of the way the Trump Administration is handling the Jeffrey Epstein files, while 63 percent of voters disapprove, and 20 percent did not offer an opinion, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of registered voters released today.

Republicans are split with 40 percent approving of the way the Trump administration is handling the Jeffrey Epstein files, 36 percent disapproving and 24 percent not offering an opinion.

Democrats (83 - 2 percent) and independents (71 - 11 percent) disapprove of the way the Trump administration is handling the Jeffrey Epstein files.

"Epstein has been dead and gone for years but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him,"
said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.
When asked how Pam Bondi is handling her job as U.S. Attorney General, 32 percent of voters approve, while 53 percent disapprove and 15 percent did not offer an opinion.

When asked how Kash Patel is handling his job as Director of the FBI, 36 percent of voters approve, while 47 percent disapprove and 17 percent did not offer an opinion.

When asked how Dan Bongino is handling his job as Deputy Director of the FBI, 34 percent of voters approve, while 41 percent disapprove and 26 percent did not offer an opinion."

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[mister_coffee]

I have to wonder what explosive information is in there.

Chances are there are multiple very powerful people, not necessarily Americans, whose names have turned up over the course of the investigations. It isn't just about Donald Trump.

There probably are going to be some messy diplomatic and financial skeletons in this particular closet as well.

[just-jim]

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Ken - just like ANY other cult member - will do WHATEVER (feeble) mental gymnastics he NEEDS to do in order to keep taking in more and more and more……

He will excuse/deny ALL facts, arguments, testimony, etc….just to keep standing in line……
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[pasayten]

You guys here never cared about this stuff when the last guy was in charge, maybe this is more about your political knife sharpening than 'finding truth'?

So Ken, Are you OK with trump being a good friend of epstein and hanging out with him? Lots of pics of trump in his early days hanging out with epstein surrounded by young pretty girls... Clinton hung out with him too... I consider them all to be sleazeballs... This is the main reason I will never support trump even though I am a Republican (moderate)... 8647...

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WSJ our with big piece on Epstein's 50th birthday party with letters written by friends including a hand drawn pic by Trump and a letter
https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/eps ... j-reports/

[mister_coffee]

False equivalence and whataboutism don’t make the facts disappear.

All of us with functioning brains knew that Donald Trump was a pervert sex criminal. What is so enjoyable about this moment is watching some of his cult members discover this unpleasant fact as well. Watching people who so enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on others go through mental anguish over this very entertaining. There is kind of a rough justice to this moment.

And let's face it, "it wasn't technically rape" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of someone's character.

I do not believe Trump will suffer any direct consequences for this. So there is no point to getting knives out.

[dorankj]

You guys here never cared about this stuff when the last guy was in charge, maybe this is more about your political knife sharpening than 'finding truth'?

[mister_coffee]

How fitting. Poll finds 69% are not liking the coverup.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 025-07-17/

More accurately, 69 percent of respondents to the poll think the government is hiding details about Epstein's clients, while 6 percent do not and 25 percent do not know or have no opinion.

[Rideback]

How fitting. Poll finds 69% are not liking the coverup.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 025-07-17/

[just-jim]

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The Gua has a good timeline here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ga-turmoil

Ya gotta have a program to keep the players straight…
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[mister_coffee]

Cults become infinitely more dangerous when they begin to unravel.

[just-jim]

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MC is right. It’s crickets from Fox, et al….
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Bill O'Reilly gets corrected on his Epstein spin
https://crooksandliars.com/2025/07/bill ... e_vignette

[mister_coffee]

[mister_coffee]

I think the silence of some people in our community on this topic speaks volumes. They are waiting to be told what to think but are too confused at the moment to know how to respond.

We all know what Donald Trump did here.

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Interesting twist. James Comey's daughter was the prosecutor on the Epstein trial. She was fired today by Pam Bondi.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/1 ... j-00458921

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[mister_coffee]

If you read any history part of the pattern of cult leaders is that they often sexually abuse children.

E.G. Mao, Jim Jones, David Koresh, ...

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