The great Epstein unravelling

[Rideback]

David, the criminal side of this is long past. The issues of the ripple effects of the power held by the participants is still very much in play. Look at Larry Summer's response just yesterday, after years of feeling comfortable he's now exiting the room. The doors that the Epstein files open for fracturing of long-held associations, networks and certainly secrets is what's in play. The Epstein files are giving the true believers like MTG the opportunity to call it quits on Trump because he's not the warrior she supported, he's instead enmeshed in a sordid lifestyle that goes against the grain of her Evangelical upbringing.

To add to your example, if this valley found out that the leader of a church participated in human trafficking, sexually abused young girls along with other clergy it would shake the religious core of most, not stop at hatred for the individuals. MTG entrusted a near religious belief in Trump as a leader who would adhere to the tenants of religion. To this day, he has not.

https://crooksandliars.com/2025/11/come ... s-national

[PAL]

Who's going to read all this stuff? MTG and GOP want to see what kind of dirt there is on others and people aligned with the Dems.
But what can "they" do regarding any charges brought against anyone? Just because people say things in emails, can they be charged for being pedophiles? Probably not. If Trump pardons Ghislane Maxwell, he will have a big problem there. She's already living a good life in a posh jail, probably for her own safety.
In a press conference in the Oval, of course Trump hoarsly said, "it's the Dems. that wanted these files released. Nope, not all. MTG and others wanted the files released too.
Now, this gives some of the GOP a good excuse to get out from under Trump's thumb. They are being ruled by him and might just be getting a little tired of it.

[mister_coffee]

Hearing it rumored that we're now only 1 more email drop away from a White Bronco pulling up to the WH and Karoline Leavitt driving Trump away...

I think there is zero chance that Trump will suffer any legal consequences for his obvious participation in this filth. The political consequences might be pretty bad for him, though. Although I wouldn't count those chickens before they have hatched.

What really, really disgusts me about this: if you had a prominent member of the community (say a doctor, teacher, or police officer) with the same fact patterns and information as we have right now about Trump and his involvement with a well-known pedophile and human trafficker, it would be a no-brainer that you run that creep out of town. The same thing if a close friend or employee or co-worker was in the same situation.

Like I said, it would be a no-brainer.

Which leads to my other issue: why do we really need to know more about this? There is enough information here for a reasonable person to draw the obvious conclusions. And if there was evidence that proved that Trump never touched a girl I'm sure that would have been released already. So while it is entertaining (and sometimes stomach churning) to watch so many obnoxious powerful people squirm and make excuses for a monster, I think at this point it hurts us more than helps us to have more information. And this isn't a criminal case, there likely will never be a criminal case, we aren't a jury.

So what I'm saying is, that if someone hasn't figured it out by now, the next dump of information is unlikely to convince them and give them a clue. So why do we have to wade through this garbage at all?

[Rideback]

Hearing it rumored that we're now only 1 more email drop away from a White Bronco pulling up to the WH and Karoline Leavitt driving Trump away...

[Rideback]

MTG invested heavily in Trump Truth Social DJT which opened in the 60's but yesterday was at 11 so no doubt she's lost a big chunk of her 'believer' money if she hasn't already sold.

Of all the emails from the Epstein estate, which Trump is mentioned in more than half, the one that wasn't on my bingo card was Epstein's brother asking him about Trump giving 'Bubba' a bj. Widely speculated that Bubba is Bill Clinton and entirely unverified, but lordy that is a visual I'll never be able to unsee.

Then there's the email exchange between Epstein and Norway go betweens to Russia where Epstein is offering insights to Putin into how to manage Trump just days before the infamous Helsinki meeting where Trump destroyed the notes of the meeting and came out looking blindsided to stand beside a triumphant Putin as Trump told the crowd he trusted Putin more than US intel agencies.

[mister_coffee]

This is from: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... f-the-year

Patty Owen, an Elle and Cosmopolitan cover star, recalls seeing Trump at Elite parties as far back as 1982. “He would always be at the bar. That’s where he would stay and that’s where all the new models would hang out,” she says. “Whenever I saw him, I was always like: why does John have to invite him?” Barbara Pilling, also then an Elite model, told us Trump asked her out for dinner in the summer of 1989 at an industry soiree. She recalls Trump asking how old she was. “I said 17 and he said, ‘That’s just great – you’re not too old, not too young.’”

Italics are mine.

Oh, and something about pictures being worth a thousand words...

[mister_coffee]

My question about MTG is whether she is a disillusioned True Believer or someone who detects which way the wind is blowing and is going after the Main Chance.

[PAL]

Problem with MTG is that she hopes this administration will fight for the American people. The admin. totally backs Trump, so that is not going to change much. But MTG may be opening her eyes and may, at some point, open them wider.

[mister_coffee]

Y'know, if a notorious pedophile and human trafficker says you are a very bad person you might, just might, want to re-examine your life choices.

[Rideback]

Marjorie Taylor Greene calls out Trump's lies. She's done with him.
https://scontent-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=691E57CA

[mister_coffee]

I'm having a big problem with how the media is talking about the latest releases about Epstein. It seems to me that this whole scandal has exposed both a profound moral and intellectual rot at the heart of our society.

At the root of this, I've noticed that many people reporting on this mess emphasize, in one set of phrases or another, that there is "no evidence" that Donald Trump performed sexual acts with young girls. While on one level technically true, it ignores Mr. Trump's long history of actions and public statements that demonstrate conclusively that he is a creep and a pervert. And further there are zero examples in his well-documented history where if presented with an opportunity where he thought he could get away with something he refrained for reasons of conscience or basic decency.

It also ignores that it isn't clear what "evidence" would look like that would satisfy these people. I suspect that if even worse revelations come out (and I think they will) the goalposts will be conveniently moved again and again.

What really had me projectile vomiting though, was Megyn Kelly's latest podcast where she argued, basically that it wasn't really pedophilia becuase the victims were teenagers. And that when these children "aged out" and no longer interested Mr. Epstein they were "passed on" to his friends and associates, which wasn't technically illegal. I really don't know what to make of such an argument except that Ms. Kelly is a real piece of garbage if she actually believes that. I, for one, hope she was paid handsomely for that filth and only did it for the money. Which is appalling but still less appalling than actually believing the words that came from her mouth.

At the core, the question that will always bother me is that even hard-core convicted criminals know to shun child molesters. How could an (apparently) large body of wealthy and powerful men think it was a good idea to associate with one?

[mister_coffee]

[mister_coffee]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or someone who can play 7-dimensional chess to figure out what really happened here.

[just-jim]

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[Rideback]

25 women who have accused Trump of rape, sexual assault or harassment
https://scontent-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=691B0833

[Rideback]

New releases from both Dems & Republicans as well as journalist Michael Wolff today
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politi ... 85568.html

[Rideback]

The Epstein estate has been releasing documents, including emails to the Congressional committee, the latest drop includes an itinerary showing that Epstein planned on a gathering on his Caribbean island with Musk, Thiel and Bannon.
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=68DCC206

[just-jim]

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JUST today!

A new Statue on the National Mall!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ein-statue
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[pasayten]

I hope all who did wrong to those girls are held accountable, Trump, Clinton, bankers, politicians, celebrities whatever.

Ken…. This I can totally agree with you on!!!

[dorankj]

That's barely a tenth of what's spewed here regularly and you question no one but me Ray, just fitting in with conduct in this cesspool. Your 'answers' are sh**, maybe there actually is some sort of additional harm that would come to victims and prosecutions that would be ruined just like we've been told. THAT would explain it too, I hope all who did wrong to those girls are held accountable, Trump, Clinton, bankers, politicians, celebrities whatever.

[just-jim]

My my Ken... Such complimentary names for females... Hmmm... You do have a wife and daughter, right?

It’s only a problem when someone else uses language like that. THEN it is divisive, unpatriotic or hateful.

[Rideback]

That's a stretch even for you Ken, but I suppose your desire to make it all Biden's fault overpowers even the most obvious of reasons. Biden faced the job of correcting the damage done by Trump's pandemic and an economic slump as well as the DoJ investigation of the J6 insurrectionists. Unlike Trump, Biden focused on building the Country not taking revenge on his political enemies.

[pasayten]

I figure the Biden administration didn't release the Epstein files as Bill Clinton was most likely in them. The difference is that trump/administraion promised to release them. Another lie as usual for them.

[pasayten]

Trump's been back in office for 9 mos, why oh why didn't Dementia Joe release all this overwhelming evidence when he was there for 4 YEARS?! Wouldn't it have helped Kamel toe in the election?

My my Ken... Such complimentary names for females... Hmmm... You do have a wife and daughter, right?

[dorankj]

Trump's been back in office for 9 mos, why oh why didn't Dementia Joe release all this overwhelming evidence when he was there for 4 YEARS?! Wouldn't it have helped Kamel toe in the election?