mister_coffee wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 5:55 am
There is this thing called the Constitution you might have heard of.
Congress has the exclusive power to declare war. Congress controls the funding of a war.
The guy who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, called the President, is the Commander-In-Chief. That's where the buck stops and the Chain of Command originates.
There is also this thing called "civilian control of the military" that goes back to a guy named George Washington. I imagine you have heard of him.
Yes it is congress that declares and funds wars but unless they get their butt's out on the front line no one politician or civilian should be dictating how the war is faught, a as there are way to many bleeding heart don't hurt anyone injecting their opinions how wars are taught while sitting back and letting others do the fighting. I personally don't give a Rats Azz who you are unless you are willing to step up and fight shut you mouth about how to fight
Yes war is hell and people die but damn it fight to win by almost any means necessary.
And Yes heard about George Washington the Commanding General of the entire,Continental Army who was also in the field with the troops not holed up in some office protected by secret service or a bunch of do gooders
which goes back to your Constitutional reference, the framers were right. Of course with the Trump crowd their genetically predisposed physical exemptions will bone spur their way out of any actual service.
I thought about it a bit and think that the only way a draft would make any sense is only for wars explicitly declared by Congress and any draft also has to be explicitly approved by Congress.
There is this thing called the Constitution you might have heard of.
Congress has the exclusive power to declare war. Congress controls the funding of a war.
The guy who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, called the President, is the Commander-In-Chief. That's where the buck stops and the Chain of Command originates.
There is also this thing called "civilian control of the military" that goes back to a guy named George Washington. I imagine you have heard of him.
Jingles wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 6:51 pm
Part of the problem with wars are we don't let those in the field fight the war/ conflict the REMF'ers in WA say what the fighters can and can't do...
What you are describing, as far as I can tell, is a military without a chain of command or accountability. I'm kind of doubtful you can win any war without those two things.
No the chain of command is in the field where the battle is being faught and the object is to kill the enemy before they kill you, NOT back in the halls of Congress they are sitting dodging verbal insults instead of lead.
War is hell people die but damn it fight to win not compromise it is not a boxing match that is caught under Marques of Queensberry rules
Jingles wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 6:51 pm
Part of the problem with wars are we don't let those in the field fight the war/ conflict the REMF'ers in WA say what the fighters can and can't do...
What you are describing, as far as I can tell, is a military without a chain of command or accountability. I'm kind of doubtful you can win any war without those two things.
I would argue that the Gulf War was as close to a strategic success as has happened in my lifetime. It was not entered without a huge amount of planning that entailed bringing the neighborhood in on the plans, staging, inventory of munitions and giving the American people insights about why, where and how it would be carried out. It was done without a draft.
"General Norman Schwarzkopf (1934–2012), nicknamed "Stormin' Norman," was the U.S. Army four-star general who commanded all coalition forces during the 1990–1991 Gulf War (Operation Desert Storm). As commander of U.S. Central Command, he led the successful 100-hour ground campaign to liberate Kuwait"
Part of the problem with wars are we don't let those in the field fight the war/ conflict the REMF'ers in WA say what the fighters can and can't do, as is evidenced by the fact that the US has not won a conflict since WW2 we've advanced to the rear with our tails between our leg running damn near in shame. Get Congress off the battlefield and let the troops fight to win, not compromise, go balls to the wall, kick arse & take names for graves registration
Be careful what you wish for Jingles.
Wars in our lifetime have already demonstrated their penchant for lasting long, costing more, killing and maiming more of everyday people, making money for the defense contractors and allowing the Trump class to sit on the sidelines with nary a hair out of place and fill their personal bank accounts. Neither Trump's son Barron nor his grandchildren will ever be drafted, they will sit out every war attending parties at Mar a Lago.
Meanwhile, money to pay for the wars Trump's kind will continue to come from the $ that should be spent on health care, good paying jobs and an economy that gives us the strength to have national security. Under Trump every one of those priorities has been dropped into the dumptster.
just-jim wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:36 pm
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So, Jingles, you would include President Bone-Spurs sons?
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Yes, as Istated all living breathinf non handicapped individuals, male and female, and even those that don't know which they are, between the ages of 18 and 35, in fact maybe even a mandatory 2 year obligation and if you leave the country to dodge the draft as happened in the 60's you made a one way trip no coming back sorry slick willie you're gone, doesn't matter who you are you are no longer a US Citizen and are barred from entering the country
I do not understand what military problem is solved by a draft.
Right now the Big 2 problems we have in the Persian Gulf are (1) we are losing billion-dollar radars to $50,000 drones, and (2) we need to defend supertankers against the same drone attacks in the Strait of Hormuz. It isn't clear to me how a mass draft of 18-year-olds would solve either problem.
Similarly I do not know how a draft makes our military more effective at defending either Taiwan or the Baltic States. Both places we are likely to have future wars.
"As of March 2026, the Trump administration has not ruled out implementing a Vietnam-style military draft (lottery system) to support ongoing military operations in the Middle East. While not currently active, officials confirmed that options, including conscription for 20-year-olds, remain on the table to meet staffing needs. "
Karoline Leavett said all options are on the table. She did not say the above and neither did T, but there was a implication that it could be considered.
More research is required.
Probably best to sign up before a draft is instituted. Maybe a better assingment. Sure.
David Bonn 